Book Description
Nearly two million players go online each day to test their poker skills at virtual tables with real money. Few have made the transition from Internet poker to live tournament play as successfully as two-time World Series of Poker champion Scott Fischman, and in Online King he shares his expert insight, money-making wisdom, and priceless strategies for playing the game well. The first instructional book written by a renowned poker champion for Internet players (as well as those hoping to make the transition from computer games to live play) Online King gives readers invaluable instruction that can be put into practice immediately on his popular website, thefishtank.com. No matter what skill level you have now, Online King will raise your game.
Customer Reviews:
OUTSTANDING.......2007-10-03
WOW DICK COOK... do you even know what you are talking about? I thought this book was insighful and well thought out. It covered several different angles for beginers. This is who the book is aimed for. This book is not directed toward the more experienced players. Well done Mr. Fischman, well done.
Worthless.......2007-08-21
Not one worthwhile idea in this book. For beginners try Lee Jones..Intermediate..Mat Hilger and advanced Harrington. They are worthwhile books. Tis one is not!
Not bad, not great.......2007-07-09
Not a bad book, it does have a lot of useful tid bits inside the pages, but the book will not really challenge your thinking and insight to the game. If you're a beginner this book may be a useful read, but if you've been playing for a while and past the beginner stage, you might want to look at some other more in depth material.
Improved my INSIGHT and MIND!.......2007-06-15
****1/2
This was my second poker book and first online book. I have been playing off and on for about 7 years now and this book has helped my game tremendously, specifically online, but not exclusively either. Scott gives you a lot to think about during the game and also helps you to think on different levels and how your emotions and mind come into play whether playing online or live games. There were many excellent tips and anecdotes from well know pros as well, both online and brick and mortar. There is a great pace to the book - it is a very quick and easy read. Lastly, another nice feature is the multitude of pointers for sit-n-go's, tournaments, and cash/ring games!
The only drawback might be the lack of mention of odds in general, which do play a large part in poker, but that should be a given anyway. This can be learned from many other books anyway. I highly recommend this book to just about anyone, beginners and advanced players alike. You will certainly become a better player with all of the great strategies and insights provided. And, in turn, hopefully you can make much more money! Best of luck always!
Good book for both experienced and inexperienced players.......2007-03-16
Scott Fischman is a guy who was once a dealer who went on to win a couple of World Series of Poker bracelets including one for the HORSE event. This interested me. (Yes, I used to play basketball and remember Bob McAdoo of the Lakers who was a deadly shot at HORSE, about whom it was said--by Michael Cooper--"You do, McAdoo.") But I digress.
HORSE in poker stands for Hold'em, Omaha hilo, Razz, Stud, and stud Eight or better. It's spread in some clubs, but you can almost always find some limit games at PokerStars and other places on the Internet. A round is played of hold'em and then a round of Omaha eight or better, then a round of razz, which is stud lowball, and then a round of regular stud and then stud hilo, and the cycle is repeated. You have to be a pretty good all-around player to be successful at HORSE, and anybody who can beat that game regularly earns my respect.
This book, like many others published in the wake of the TV- and Internet-turboed rise of poker, is directed at beginners or near beginners. The "Mastering Internet Poker" in the subtitle is justified however because Fischman reveals a lot about his overall approach to the game of poker, especially his psychological approach. For Fischman the most important psychology in the game is self-psychology.
There is plenty of strategy presented throughout the book and some explanations given on how to play various hands in various situations; but mainly Fischman concentrates on his overall approach to the games. In a sense this is a hybrid book: part "how-to" and part "how-I-did-it."
Fischman is not a deep strategic master of the game or a mathematical whiz. He is a "by the seat of your pants" player with a wealth of experience both online and in the brick and mortar clubs. His advice on tournament strategy, especially online Sit-N-Go's is excellent. He divides the tournament, one-table or otherwise, into three "seasons," the beginning when blinds are small relative to stacks; the middle, when the size of your stack begins to dictate decisions; and the endgame, when many or most decisions will involve all your chips and your tournament life.
In the "beginning" he likes to "look for spots where I can safely--or as close to safely as poker allows--double my stack. Otherwise, I've got no business being in the hand." (p. 71) In the middle he likes to start making small raises often with the idea of picking up the blinds from his now very careful opponents. In the endgame, Fischman becomes super-aggressive. One excellent idea of his is that near the bubble when many players start to play very carefully you can steal a lot of pots. He believes that in Sit-N-Gos you should aim to finish first, not just in the money because of the big difference between first place money (usually 50% of the prize fund) and third place (usually 20%). So he advises, don't be afraid of finishing fourth and out of the money. A first and a fourth are better than two third-place finishes.
Also interesting is Fischman's take on "multi-tabling" online. He believes that playing several tables at once not only allows the expert to win more money, it allows the expert to get into the zone and become "the Robot," as he calls himself when he is just one with the decisions, one after another in front of him on his computer screen. His idea is that because multi-tabling is so demanding on your attention it forces you to focus. You don't have time to worry about bad beats or time to over-analyze. You are a Robot, focused, decisive and unemotional. Yes, you miss subtleties and some opportunities, but you don't try to do too much and you go with your first instinct which is often right.
Fischman tends to the superstitious, which of course is NOT recommended. However he justifies it from a psychological point of view by noting that if something makes you feel confident that will help you win. So it's okay to depend a little on that lucky shirt, and yes it may very well be the case as you drive into the club and see all those license plates with the poker hands on them, "KAA 555," etc., that yes you ARE going to be lucky today!
Some of Fischman's recommendations on how to play specific hands in specific situations go against the grain of the conventional wisdom. But here again I found his ideas interesting. Sometimes he seems clearly "wrong" or maybe just doesn't make himself clear. For example on page 125 he writes about tables being broken down later in a tournament as players are eliminated. He notes that he doesn't like being moved to a new table after having made some rebuys because "I want to have the chance to win back the chips I have lost. I can't do that if the players I've been kind enough to 'loan' my chips to are suddenly scattered throughout the tournament. There's nothing worse that rebuying 10 times, having your table broken down, then finding yourself at a new table where no one has purchased a rebuy."
Unless I'm missing something, this seems plainly illogical because it doesn't matter from whom he wins chips. He still has the same number of chips and the same relative chance of winning the tournament. I think what he must mean is that while losing those chips he picked up some valuable information about those players and now can't use that information.
What is obvious from reading this very readable book is that Scott Fischman is one heck of a good poker player and that his strength is in his overall approach to the game, some of which comes shining forth from these pages. I think both experienced players and beginners will find something of value here.
Book Description
A fast and powerful way to win money online or play for free. Ten compelling chapters show you how to get started, explain the safety features which lets you play worry-free, and lets you in on the strategies that Doyle himself uses to beat players in cyberspace. Poker is poker, as Doyle explains, but there are also strategies that only apply to the online version, where the players are weaker!-and Doyle reveals them all in this book.
Customer Reviews:
Horrendous!.......2007-02-25
I was browsing through Borders books the other day and I saw this book on the shelf. I thought to myself "Wow, I have never seen or heard of this book." I picked it up to have a quick look through and I ended up reading the whole book in about half an hour. (There isn't much to it). This book is just a total disgrace. It is the worst poker book I have ever seen- even worse than John Vorhaus's book "Killer poker online" (At least he probably spent quite some time actually writing that book ignoring the fact that the book sucks). There is no strategy whatsoever, it's basically about how to deposit money, how to download the software etc. The strategic advice is basically "Play very straightforwardly online because your opponents aren't paying attention anyway." Brunson ought to hang his head in shame, he is just trying to use his name to capitalize on the poker boom and dupe beginners into buying a product that will do nothing to help develop their game. I have lost any respect I ever had for Brunson.
shocking!.......2007-01-05
I am shocked, stunned and appalled that a lifetime professional poker player would take advantage of poker newcomers simply for money! People, a few years ago you parents would have warned you to stay away from people like Doyle Brunsen! Now everyone thinks he is this kind old grandfater type! Get real!
save your money.......2006-09-20
I cant believe that Doyle Brunson feels he needs money so bad that he should put his name on this book. This book is aimed at someone who has never used the internet before. If you have managed to play online poker for real money then you are already too sophisticated for this book. Yet another book that is simply cashing in on the poker boom and doesnt offer anything of value.
Buy Harrington on Hold'em if you want to win money at poker.
Blatant Ad for Doyle's Room.......2006-05-18
This book reads more like an advertisement and FAQ for Doyle's online poker room. There is very little of value here for the money. Do yourself a favor and buy "Super System" or another title that has worthwhile advice.
Well, I don't think its target audience has been buying and reviewing it.......2006-05-15
This book seems to have been a disappointment to many who read it, though it is mostly because these people were not the intended readers.
This book is really written for people just getting started or thinking about getting started with online poker, or poker in general. It has several chapters that cover the very basics of online poker, including something as seemingly simple as how to download and install the software. If you already play poker online, this book will not improve your game much. It is, unfortunately for many of us, really designed for BEGINNERS. I would have found its information much more useful if I'd read it within the first month I started playing. After playing for over a year, much of its information was already commonplace to me. Picking up this book at any experience level will probably improve your game SOME, just not nearly as much as some other books out there.
While Doyle Brunson is an authority on poker, his expertise just doesn't really come through in this style of book. Again, this is a decent book for those just getting started. However, if you are already an OK player or have been playing for a few months, you will probably want to skip about half of the chapters. There are some decent tips and strategies revealed, but just not enough to warrant a reading of the entire book by any kind of intermediate player.
Book Description
Take poker online the fun and easy way!
Five years ago, 50 million people were playing poker recreationally or professionally. Now that number is more than 100 million, including a huge influx of young people. Online betting is up nearly four-fold over the past year, with total wagers running over $30 billion.
Winning at Internet Poker For Dummies provides the lowdown on the hottest game around, highlighting the best sites and virtual games and showing how to make secure online bets. The book covers setting up an account, securing funds, navigating a basic online poker game, using Internet abbreviations and lingo, observing online poker etiquette, playing popular online poker games such as Texas Hold 'Em and Omaha, devising a winning strategy, and participating in tournaments.
Download Description
The fun and easy way to take poker online Five years ago, 50 million people were playing poker recreationally or professionally. Now that number is more than 100 million, including a huge influx of young people. Online betting is up nearly four-fold over the past year, with total wagers running over $30 billion. Winning at Internet Poker For Dummies provides the lowdown on the hottest game around, highlighting the best sites and virtual games and showing how to make secure online bets. The book covers setting up an account, securing funds, navigating a basic online poker game, using Internet abbreviations and lingo, observing online poker etiquette, playing popular online poker games such as Texas Hold 'Em and Omaha, devising a winning strategy, and participating in tournaments. Mark ""The Red"" Harlan (Santa Clara, CA) is cofounder of CyberArts Licensing, a company working on the next-generation Internet poker room, gamesgrid.com. During the course of his 20-year Silicon Valley career, he designed eBay's bidding schema, was the Human Interface Evangelist at Apple Computer, and wrote the popular ""Notes from the Fringe"" column at InfoWorld. Chris Derossi (Henderson, NV) is also a cofounder of CyberArts Licensing and has been an avid poker player for 15 years. His two-decade computer career includes stints at Apple Computer, where he was chief architect of the Macintosh operating system, as well as ePeople, which he founded, and Trading Technologies, where he was CEO. He has written for many computer magazines.
Customer Reviews:
Great!.......2006-02-08
I didn't think much of this book when I borrowed it from a friend, but after a few pages I had changed my mind. It's a great book that will teach you to become a very good poker player.
YOU WILL NOT BETTER YOUR GAME WITH THIS BOOK.......2005-06-19
First off this is not a 'WINNING AT INTERNET POKER' book...it is a 'EXPLANATION OF INTERNET POKER'. I bought this book hoping to learn something. The first (and I am not exaggerating this) 2/3 of the book has nothing to do with actual poker playing. Throughout those chapters they discuss how to use your computer to choose and download a poker program. I saw that they had a chapter on tournaments. All they do is simply explain the enviroment of the tourney (i.e. how many people are in certain tournaments, how much you have to pay to get into them...) You will not learn any actual strategies or what to do in certain situations. I recommend buying this book if you have never in your life played any poker over the internet. If you saw the world series of poker on your TV and thought to yourself 'hey maybe i can play online' then right at that point this book wouldn't be the worst idea. Let me take an exerpt from the book...page 18 5th paragraph..."If your screen is kind of fuzzy, and you don't normally stare at it for excessive periods of time, you may want to consider upgrading to a new monitor. Gawking at fuzzy images for hours at a time is draining,"...
And if you want more examples of what you are in for buy the book and read the whole thing. Once again to emphasize...YOU WILL NOT BETTER YOUR GAME BY READING THIS BOOK, IT IS A WASTE OF TIME.
Helpful for two beginners.......2005-03-29
I met one of the authors at a dinner, and he was so articulate and enthusiastic about online poker that I became interested in it-although before that, I had never once thought about online poker in my life (seriously). Later I mentioned the conversation to my 77-year-old dad who had been playing "some" online bridge when he wasn't crashing AOL, and he decided to try it. Well, long story short: while I got this book to see what I've been missing all this time, and read it just for fun (and it was fun, too, written with a sense of humor, and full of information), my dad was getting extremely frustrated and starting to hate the whole idea. After hearing him grumble more times than I could count, I went over to his house, sat down with him, and-completely based on what I'd read in this book-got him up and playing comfortably on a site in about an hour and half.(While reassuring my mom over my shoulder at the same time...) He's been playing ever since, but I'm still too chicken, having played a lot more Yahtzee than poker growing up. Anyway, the book was very helpful for two beginners: a non-poker-playing, computer-confident woman and her un-computer-savvy father who's been playing cards for more than six decades.
A good, if very basic, introduction.......2005-03-11
Sometimes when I read--and I use that word with some restrictive license--a "Dummies" or an "Idiot's" guide to a subject, I find myself thinking, "how aptly named!" This book is no exception. However--and really this is what is important--if you're new to online play, this is the book you want to peruse. It's very basic, almost painfully so in some respects, as all "Dummies" books are; but whether you are a neophyte poker player or an expert, this book will give you everything you need to know to begin playing online.
Notice I am not talking about reading the book from cover to cover. As the authors say in their introduction: "Read any chapter at any point. Feel free to skip around." They do a good job of giving the links and naming the sites--playing sites and sites associated with online poker. They explain how you can deposit money and they alert the reader to some of the dangers of online play. They even give advice on how to play. However, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this might not be the best book to buy if you are interested in becoming a better player. What advice they do give is generally good although not of world class quality.
Here are a couple of examples that the causal player might want to skip:
[First, there's their analysis of a hold'em hand they observed being played at the $3 & $6 level (p. 138). I won't rehash the hand, but will observe that their conclusion that "Player 1 may have had A-K, or a large pocket pair, but dropped the hand when the other players clearly showed the board had paired" is faulty in several places. One, of course, is that the board had not paired. What they mean is that the bet, raise and re-raise action after the flop of 9s 10s Qd indicated that at least one of the players had a queen in hand and therefore had a pair. The fact that Player 1, with 17 bets in the pot, giving him 17 to 2 odds on his money by calling the raise and reraise, did NOT call strongly suggests that he did not have AK, since if he had he would have had two overcards and a draw to the nut straight, which has something like a 40% chance of improving on the river to a hand that could very well win the pot. It's hard to say what he had. It looks like he misplayed his hand. Furthermore, the authors don't give us the full story. At the showdown they reveal that the winner had AQ and won with just a pair of queens and the top kicker. They remark that the site folds the caller's cards because "the runner-up doesn't show." That's correct, but if you are in the hand and refer to the record of the hand that is sent to your computer on sites like PartyPoker, it will show all hands still in play at the showdown, and you could find out what the runner-up had.]
[Another example is on page 190 in the box discussing 2-2 vs. A-K. They say that it's a 50/50 proposition, but then contradict themselves by pointing out what most players know, namely that the deuces are a slight favorite head-up. Then they muddy these waters by saying, "The true odds vary from 50.3 percent versus 49.7 percent in favor of the pocket deuces to 53.2 percent versus 46.8 percent for the deuces, depending on the suits involved." Note that this is quote, unquote. It's a little unclear exactly what they are saying, but trust me the deuces are always the favorite. Their point (apparently) is that if the deuces are in the same suit as the aces, then, should four of either of those suits fall on the board, the deuces will always lose, thereby lessening their small advantage. However since one can never know until the hand is over just which suits the other player is holding, the proper way to figure the odds is to ignore the suits, since the distribution is not only unknown, but evens out over the long run. Furthermore, they are relying on the calculator at Card Player's Internet site, which is a Monte Carlo simulation, not an actual calculation of the odds. For most purposes, a simulation of a few thousand hands is sufficient. However, the real odds can only be figured out mathematically, which nobody these days, it appears, bothers to do. Well, I'm sure David Sklansky still figures his odds.]
These quibbles aside, Harlan and Derossi's book is well worth the investment, especially if you are a total newbie. They cover just about every aspect of the experience that a beginning online player would want to know about. Here's an example of their guidance under the subheading "Grappling with the Psychological Basics" on page 70: "From a psychological point of view, the biggest differences between online play and the brick-and-mortar world include the radical increase in the speed of play and a heavy (mental) disassociation from the money you put in play."
The plain fact of the matter is that when the dollars seem like virtual dollars (although they are not) there can be a tenancy to bluff too much, to play too loosely, and perhaps to play at a higher game than one can afford.
Another good (and very different) introductory book on cyberspace poker is John Vorhaus's Killer Poker Online, which I also recommend.
Incidentally, if you really are a beginner at poker, I recommend you buy a computer game and practice with that for a while, and then--as the authors recommend--play at the "play money" games that the online poker sites offer before you risk any real money.
Buy it to "burn-proof" your online poker debut.......2005-03-05
I started online poker before I had this book, and... call me a dummy... I managed to blow 50 bucks in appallingly short order. I'd failed to understand some fundamentals of how online poker is different from my neighborhood games, and got burned. If only I'd had this book earlier!
The best advice in the book has to do with the psychology of online poker relative to table games. Understanding this is critical for people like me who migrated from neighborhood games to online, because I was totally baffled by the style of play, and its a huge mistake to assume that what one is seeing has to do with an increase in players' skill. This alone can shred quite a few hard-earned bills. On top of that, there are some "gotchas" in the mechanics of internet game play that the book explains (like thinking you're calling $1 when in reality its $100, or playing like a video-game zombie). Buy this book BEFORE you waste your bucks.
Book Description
You've watched celebrity poker on TV; you've witnessed an accountant come from nowhere to win the World Series of Poker; now you're ready to cash in on the online action yourself!
But before you do, you'll want to invest in a copy of
Beat the Odds: The Smart Player's Guide to Online Poker for clear, no-nonsense instructions to savvy online poker playing. Learn the difference between online and real poker, how to set up an account and join a table, and where to go to find the most popular games--5-Card Draw, 5-Card Stud, 7-Card Stud, Texas Hold 'Em, and Omaha, as well as how to choose the right casino for you.
Step-by-step instructions, plenty of pictures, and real world tips will show you the ropes and help you quickly develop online expertise.. You’ll learn how to put on your best poker face with strategies (understanding the differences between poker sites and choosing the right casino, avoiding getting cheated, and software programs to track competitors) and your know-how of online poker legal issues, tournament play, and more!
Download Description
"You've watched celebrity poker on TV; you've witnessed an accountant come from nowhere to win the World Series of Poker; now you're ready to cash in on the online action yourself! But before you do, you'll want to invest in a copy of Beat the Odds: The Smart Player's Guide to Online Poker for clear, no-nonsense instructions to savvy online poker playing. Learn the difference between online and real poker, how to set up an account and join a table, and where to go to find the most popular games--5-Card Draw, 5-Card Stud, 7-Card Stud, Texas Hold 'Em, and Omaha, as well as how to choose the right casino for you. Step-by-step instructions, plenty of pictures, and real world tips will show you the ropes and help you quickly develop online expertise.. You'll learn how to put on your best poker face with strategies (understanding the differences between poker sites and choosing the right casino, avoiding getting cheated, and software programs to track competitors) and your know-how of online poker legal issues, tournament play, and more!"
Customer Reviews:
From recognizing and avoiding online cheats to understanding the quicker environment of the online play.......2006-05-27
Millions play poker online monthly: while it's similar to playing in person, there are some important differences. BEAT THE ODDS: THE SMART PLAYER'S GUIDE TO ONLINE POKER explores these differences - and tells how to overcome obstacles by choosing the best online casinos, playing for virtual or real money, and interacting with other players. From recognizing and avoiding online cheats to understanding the quicker environment of the online play, BEAT THE ODDS is for any poker player seeking entry to a whole new online gaming world.
Diane C. Donovan, Editor
California Bookwatch
Very narrow target market-- and it's probably not you........2006-05-18
Marty Cortinas, Beat the Odds: The Smart Player's Guide to Online Poker (Peachpit Press, 2006)
This is, perhaps, a worthwhile book for the complete novice to online poker; if you don't know where the sites are, and are still learning your way around a computer, there's likely a lot to be gotten out of this. If you're already registered at a poker website, however, there's very little you're likely to find here that will be new. (I did learn about PokerTracker from the book, though, so I can't call it a total wash.)
If you think a more advanced book would be right for you, it probably would. Flip through this one before putting out your hard-earned cash; you may already know everything to be found in it. **
Useless.......2006-03-14
Except for a very brief list of on-line poker sites (and their structure differences) and a warning about cheaters that you can't do anything about, this book offers nothing that even a brand new player doesn't already know about poker. There is nothing about how to play poker, nothing about how to play poker on-line, nothing about on-line strategy, on-line players, no tips, no hints, nothing about odds or how to beat them - nothing!
I never write reviews but I had to warn others about this book.
I felt very ripped off.
What a Manual Should Be.......2006-02-02
"The Smart Player's Guide..." is, happily, what's rarely made available these days; a smartly written, intelligently illustrated, concise instruction manual. In this case, for the evolving world of online poker. Those interested in anteing up to online gaming will find find the author's mixture of gaming knowledge, descriptive analysis, and personal experience with several popular sites a godsend. Those looking for the great american novel will probably want to wait for the first published effort of one of the other reviewers contributing here.
Not worth the time nor money.......2006-01-12
This is just a superficial book about online poker. It is neither worth the time nor money to buy. I have been playing online poker for a little over one month and I could write a better book than this.
I was disappointed in the book.
Book Description
Playing Internet poker in real time against real opponents might just represent poker's brave new world. Whether for play-money or real money, it's an environment consisting of virtual tables, player icons representing you and your opponents, and specialized computer algorithms that randomly shuffle the "cards." It's a world where you can find a game day or night. Though it may be the wee hours of the morning in California, it's prime time in Europe, and someone, somewhere, is looking to play a little poker. But it's poker with a difference. The game is the same, to be sure, but technology does kick in -- sometimes in strange and unexpected ways. A reference as well as a tutorial, this book includes a CD with free poker software, and a special bonus chapter with 125 interactive hands to help you prepare to play the Internet games for fun or for profit.
Customer Reviews:
Reconsider..........2006-08-04
....will the reading of this book improve your game, personally as a semi Professional player that has participated in the WSOP, I would urge all new players to start off just playing for play money. To improve your tournament play you should play freerolls. If you find yourself, hitting a place, then it is time to play for real money online, not before.
truly Disappointed!.......2006-03-04
if you are a Mac comuter user or do not have access to a PC, don't get this book!
75% of this book requires that you have a Windows PC to follow the disk and makes the book completely useless it you have a MAC.
I bought this book online, and no where does it have a disclaimer saying this book is worthless if you don't have a PC.
This book is more of an info-mercial for Wilsons Turbo Poker.
I wasted my money on this book.
It would have been nice if the author had at least framed the Q&A so you didn't need the Disk to follow what he was talking about.
I'd give it a zero if I could!
For Rank Beginners Only.......2005-09-29
This book may be useful for someone that has absolutely no experience with online poker but in no way does the book seriously address how to "beat online poker games." It briefly discusses the rules of the most popular poker games and the mechanics of online play. The book is more concerned with discussing table etiquette than poker strategy. The title is very misleading.
Great beginners guide for online play!.......2004-12-03
Although the author is a well known, don't expect an advanced treatise on onlie play. What this is, however, is a good nuts & bolts guide for online play. Great for beginners and intermediate players who have want to transition from live to online play. Also servers as a good beginner's guide to limit Texas holdem. This is the most popular game being played online, at casinos, and in local card rooms. Learn this game and you can make a living anywhere in the world, online or live!
Save your money.......2004-10-12
I've purchased 5 poker books in the past few months and this is by far the poorest. It's Texas Holdem section doesnt go beyond pre-flop play - literally! No advice on what to do after flop, on turn, at river. It comes with a free CD which, from what I gathered, promotes an online poker site. My guess is that they are marketing the site. No real content in book.
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Customer Reviews:
A good resource for online players, with a couple shortcomings.......2007-05-30
I received this book as a Christmas gift from my brother who knows that I like to play online; my first impression was "Oh no, not another poker book...and worst of all, this one looks like a gimmicky attempt to address online poker rather than live casino play." I wondered whether it would teach me anything new, or whether it was simply going to be one of the dozens of books out there that have a simple preflop chart, and advocate a no-frills tight and aggressive playing style. I must say I was pleasantly surprised -- Vorhaus has clearly done his homework and understands that online play requires a markedly different approach than playing live. I (like many others) used to place too much emphasis on "reading people", which is of course impossible when playing online. Not having that tool at my disposal made me delve deeper into the mathematics and probability of poker, and I think ultimately has made me a much better player, both live and online. I think truly appreciating this book requires enough humility to "unlearn" the strategies that you've become accustomed to while playing live -- Vorhaus discusses a lot of sit-and-go and multi-table tournament play (maybe because that's what you see most on TV) but I wish he had devoted a little more space to cash games.
Now for my constructive criticism: I can empathize somewhat with Vorhaus, because it's admittedly hard to write a book about online poker with a long life-span because the state of online poker changes so rapidly...for example, online play today looks substantially different than in 2004 (what some would consider to be its "glory-days"). The average online player today is better-educated, tighter preflop, and trickier post-flop. I think a lot of poker authors a few years ago got away with writing books advocating a simple tight and aggressive strategy, which was good enough to beat the average player back then, but at present might only be enough to turn you into a break-even player. But what I think Vorhaus COULD have included in his book -- or at least what I'd like to see published in SOME contemporary poker book -- is a description of the add-on software programs that have become more or less essential to optimize your online play. PokerTracker, PokerAce HUD, datamining tools...all of these I would consider to be a "must" for anyone wanting to get serious about their online game. Would it have been so hard for Vorhaus to at least pay lip service to these tools...? Sure, they may be outdated 3 or 4 years from now, but they've been the "gold standard" for the past few years, and I think any book about online poker wanting to present a complete picture of the online game requires a section explaining these tools and how to optimize their use. I guess one thing Vorhaus couldn't have foreseen was how the U.S. legislation in the Fall of 2006 would change the online poker scene forever...I think a lot of American players erroneously came to believe that the law made playing poker online illegal...when NOTHING could be further from the truth. It simply made it more difficult to deposit from the U.S., but there are still plenty of ways to fund accounts at the US-friendly poker sites. THe PokerSavior website has an oft-updated list of sites that continue to serve the U.S. market and the most frequently-used deposit methods at each. I think a book about online poker written today would look very different than Vorhaus' offering, although I will admit that his is one of the few to specifically address some aspects unique to online play...I've seen a few other books for sale that purport to discuss online poker, but they're simply poorly-written attempts to cash in on the online poker boom, and don't really offer anything new. Vorhaus' book doesn't fall into that trap, and I think it's a worthwhile investment for any online player.
More of the same mostly useless advice.......2007-01-19
Killer Poker Online Vol. 2 was to be the redeeming value of this two part series. Most would expect that since the original book, "Killer Poker Online" left a lot to be desired, and focused on just about everything but actually playing, that this latest endeavor would expand upon the apparent foundation that Vorhaus was attempting to define previously. Unfortunately, we just get mostly more of the same useless information.
The major flaw with this book is that it provides little insight into how to actually win big pots, lose small ones, and "crush the internet game". To make matters worse, some of the advice about actual play which is given has been routinely dis-proven via real life examples. For instance, Vorhaus mentions that Sit-n-go tournaments should be utilized for entertainment only, in that trying to build a bankroll via this method is hazardous. He further mentions that Sit-n-go tournaments require more luck than skill.
The problem here is that many online regulars play only Sit-n-go games, and many famous, world renowned players found their way to stardom by focusing on Sit-n-go style games. But then to contradict himself, Vorhaus mentions that regular, multitable tournaments are your best bet. Any poker regular understands that multitable tournaments require luck as a prominent variable in your play. I don't understand how Vorhaus would consider luck to be too big of a factor in sit-n-go play, but not one in multitable tournament play. On top of that, at the final table in a multitable tournament the play is almost identical to sit-n-go games with the exception that not all players will begin the final table with the same amount of chips. Where are we to get this final table experience if we don't play sit-n-go games, especially considering that one position apart at the final table can be thousands, or even millions of dollars in payout differences?
His advice on cash game playing is limited, and mostly focuses on the philosophy of getting a big pot when you have a big hand, or folding your cards before you commit too much of your money with a losing hand. This is common sense stuff.
But sadly, most of the book involves the same type of "advice" given in the first; which is to talk about things outside of the game. Telling readers things like, "don't play tired", "don't play distracted", or "don't play with the TV on" all make sense and are worthy of mention, but I fail to see why they should be reiterated to the point of consuming a large percentage of the book.
Advice on booking is reiterated here as well, which is keeping track of other players' habits. This is good advice and should be stressed because most players will not do this, even those that agree that it would give their play an edge. With online poker however, unless you are playing very high limits where you regularly (on a daily basis) play the same people over and over, you rarely see the same person twice. This becomes especially true when considering that a single poker site may have tens of thousands of players in your limit range, and you play at 3 or 4 different sites on top of that. Not to mention, it doesn't serve much purpose to keep track of play styles if you don't know which strategies to use against such playstyles. Vorhaus successfully convinces the reader of the advantages of booking, while simultaneously failing to teach the reader what to do with his findings.
Something quite disturbing to me is that Vorhaus does spend quite a bit of time explaining what you shouldn't do, rather than what you should. He presents problems without solutions, and quite honestly gives more advice on how you can lose money than how you can make money. Any fool can go to a poker table and lose money, we don't need to learn that. While some may point out that examining mistakes is important in learning to avoid them (something I do not disagree with), it serves no purpose if a lesson isn't learned from it. For example, let's say I'm faced with a situation where big money could go either way on a big hand. Rather than simply understanding how I could lose big, it would be nice if a potential error was followed up with a practical solution or approach. So I know how not to lose big money on a hand, but do I know how to win big money on a hand? It seems to me a more productive approach to teach me the right way to do things, rather than teach me the wrong way to do things and then expect me to figure out an alternative.
To be honest there is no substitute for experience, and I think we know that holds true with just about anything. Getting experience in online poker is expensive though, so books are a good way to offset that cost by giving insight and helping to develop your game faster. Unfortunately, this book won't do that for you, unless of course you didn't know that distractions can make you lose focus. If you have absolutely no clue as to what online poker is, then this book comes highly recommended, otherwise you'll get a better return on your money elsewhere.
Solid Book.......2006-11-10
I read a lot of poker books and a lot of the information in these books is repetitive. This is not the case with Killer Poker Online 2 by John Vorhaus. Vorhaus takes a more cerebral look than some other books that focus on technical analysis. This book is more about the philosophy and psychology of the online poker table than the other books I have read. Some of the concepts and information in the book I already subconsiously knew, but Vorhaus fleshed them out and made me think on a deeper contextual level.
This book will stay part of my poker library for years to come, along side the Harrington On Hold'em Volumes, Phil Gordon's Little Green and Little Blue Books, Brunson's Super System 1 & 2, and Caro's Book of Poker Tells. I am also planning to read Vorhaus's other poker books.
Book Description
Arnold Snyder shows how to play and win money online against the internet casinos. People love to gamble, and now that they can do so from their own homes, Snyder shows them how to choose safe sites to play. He goes over every step of the process, from choosing sites, opening an account, and how to take your winnings! There are major chapters covering the differences between "brick and mortar" and internet gaming rooms and how to handle common situations and predicaments. A major chapter covers internet poker and basic strategies to beat hold'em and other games online.
Customer Reviews:
Please read the first review and listen to it!.......2006-06-26
Please do not buy or read this book! I don't want competition. Arnold Snyder is a genious and in my opinion is the foremost gambling expert in the world, and no, I'm not one of "The Entity Known As Avery Cardoza's" shills either. This book is kind of like a sharpa who leads you to a mysterious temple and says "here it is". It doesn't really tell you what "it" is other than to say it could be worth a couple large. It's worth a lot more, and if you don't know why that's certainly not my problem, nor is it Mr. Snyder's for that matter.
Previous review is flawed.......2006-03-17
In reading the first review posted here, most is misguided, misleading, or just wrong.
However, this statement is completely false:
"The trouble is that online gambling is illegal in most of the United States. "
Online gambling is illegal in the few specific states that have prohibited it (Nevada, New Jersey, and a few others). This definitely does not make up the majority of the US.
I would think that Amazon would have a policy against posting false statements in a review.
A bit disappointing .......2006-03-17
Arnold Snyder has some interesting ideas as a gambling writer, but this new offering is a little disappointing.
The author explains how to make money from casino and poker bonuses. Basically, his method involves signing up with an internet casino, taking any bonus they have, then cashing out.
The trouble is that online gambling is illegal in most of the United States. If you could make hundreds of thousands of dollars doing this then it might be worthwhile, but as Snyder seems to admit, getting the money is really hard. Getting money out of an e-casino, judging by the problems Snyder's mentions, is not easy, they are very reluctant to pay up, many simply will take your money knowing you can't take them to court. Some will cheat: it is very easy to write a computer program which fixes the odds against you.
Even with honest e-casinos, you often have to wager eighty times the bonus or more before they will let you keep it!! You would end up losing your money most of the time!! Imagine trying to get a $100 bonus, having to wager $8000, and losing $600 or $700. It does happen!
If you check out the author's website, you see why he is promoting e-casinos-his site gets lots of money from links to internet casinos and he gets a percentage of the losses of people who go through those links. I think that is why he is recommending this type of "advantage play" rather than something respectable like card-counting.
Nevertheless, he does cover some of the common problems you face online in some detail. And, the section on poker is a good basic primer, if you like playing poker.
Customer Reviews:
Worst poker book of all time........2006-12-08
This book is a JOKE. It is BY FAR the worst poker book I have ever read. In fact, I don't even think it's fair to call this book a "poker book" as the book does not contain one sentence about poker strategy- not one! It basically consists of such useless advice as: "Concentrate when you're playing in a game," "Don't play drunk," "Pick a good user name," "Don't play tired," "Keep notes on your opponents,"If you get bored then do something else while you play but don't get too distracted" etc etc etc. Vorhaus also attempts to be funny throughout the book and his sense of humor is really annoying and very corny. I had a great deal of difficulty forcing myself to finish reading this book but I figured since I paid for it, I might as well force myself to complete it.
How this atrocious book found a publisher is beyond me and how it has enjoyed any level of success is just mystifying. Vorhaus has actually written a sequel to this book so I have to assume that there is a market for his awful work which I just cannot understand.
Do not spend one cent purchasing this book as you will be sorely disappointed. Invest your money in Matthew Hilgers excellent book if you want a solid manual for playing Texas Hold 'em on the internet- that book will give you the information you need to "crush the internet game." With Vorhaus's pathetic rag you won't be crushing anything; you'll just be kicking yourself for wasting your money.
I would like to give this book zero stars but unfortunately Amazons rating system doesn't go that low.
Take it for what it's worth.......2006-08-20
This book is intended for the amateur poker player that is new to the online poker world. You should know the basics of poker, and have some experience playing for money first.
If you are a decent table player and seem to be consistenly losing in the online game, this is what you need to read. He covers online pitfalls that the table player may be unaware of, covers great online tells, and how to exploit them. What to watch for when analyzing a new poker site, and so on.
He does over analyze a few concepts, but I believe that is intended to burn it into your brain.
Pretty weak.......2006-05-10
Lots of the information I consider true but obvious or not actionable. Other parts I don't agree with. For instance, he's pretty negative about playing multiple tables and those that do. He never tries to back this conjecture up with any statistics or experiments.
It's clear that the author considers on-line play to be a lesser from of poker, an imperfect simulation of Brick & Mortar play rather than a game of itself. Having really started on the internet myself, I find this perspective (while not exactly wrong) jarring. I don't, for instance, consider the lack of physical tells to be a defect.
There's much discussion about tracking your opponents through notes. Vorhaus wrote this edition in 2003. In 2006 there should be some coverage of software tools (pokertracker, etc.) to help in this process.
The section about preselect buttons is good, though not news to experienced players.
If you're an experienced player making a first foray into online poker, there are a *few* helpful hints. As an alternative, I'd suggest reading rec.gambling.poker, fullcontactpoker, or 2+2 forums. They're more informative and up-to-date.
Worth 9 bucks? Tough call.......2006-05-07
I believe if you learn one thing from a poker book, then its worth it. Here its not very clear that I can learn one useful thing from the book. Mostly because the hours you spend reading it, a seriously player woudl've made money instead of wasting time reading this book. Most of the stuff in this book isn't wrong, its just useless. The most important concepts lie somewhere in the zone of "online, tilt hurts you more because if you go on tilt for half an hour you play about 12 hands at a casino but online you play 50 or more hands, so it's much more harmful." If you dont know things like this or haven't thought about it (by the way the reverse is true, if you're running good and on your A game you also get more hands in online while in your optimal zone), then this book may well be useful to you, but it wont be the book it's made itself out to be.
what the others have said is true........2006-03-05
the guy ought to be taken out and whipped, publishing this kind of detrimental manure. if he's played 20k hands in his life, i'd be much surprised.
Book Description
Get ready to develop and refine your online poker skills with these winning secrets! Effectively use the various tools at your disposal to examine your play and gain valuable insights about yourself and your opponents. Recognize cheating when it occurs and take action. Examine the decisions you need to make from the first round of cards to the last round of betting. Learn how to evaluate your play using poker-specific packages such as the Poker Odds Calculator, PokerTracker, and the Wilson Software product line. If you're a beginner, you'll get up to speed on all the basics. If you're more experienced, you'll benefit from new techniques and tips to improve your game. Regardless of your methods-whether you're a risk-taker or more conservative player-"Winning Secrets of Online Poker" provides you with the knowledge to improve your online poker game so your losses get smaller and your wins get bigger.
Customer Reviews:
Good Read.......2006-11-03
This book had some intersting concepts and for the most part i am glad i read it. At times the author should have livened the book up with some humor, there are some dry portions that are a struggle to get through.
Just another advertiser for a major online poker website.......2006-05-04
Book has little relavent information on poker, let alone online poker. The "cut and paste" of screen prints is a tell tale sign of an author trying to fill up pages to make the book longer and "worth the money". Don't waste your money.
A poker book written by a DOCTOR? Now I've seen everything!.......2005-08-22
Let's be honest here...I'm not the sharpest lightbulb in the toolshed. I decided I wanted to jump on the poker bandwagon and just see what all the fuss was about, but I only had cursory knowledge of how the game of pirates and cowboys actually worked. So one day I was browsing the 'Zon and came across this book. Looked interesting, a great review provided by Jonathan Roth, and the price is right...if I'm going to start gambling, I might as well start here!
It's written by two brothers: Curt and Dr. Doug Frye (I call them the "two aces"...LOL!) Yup, that's right...DOCTOR! And a COMPUTER EXPERT!
This book covers a lot of stuff. I never knew there were so many different versions of poker out there! PINEAPPLE?!? It's not just for cocktails anymore! LOL! I'm glad all of this is included....who knows what would've happened if I signed on and logged into some game I had no idea about. I wouldn't have even known the difference!
What I also found interesting was how in depth it gets with all these crazy situations you can get yourself into and how to handle them. I thought I was just going to get an overview of what hand beats what and things like that, but they managed to cram a lot of juiciness into this book. I like how they weave all of the normal poker stuff into playing online and all of the different program possibilities there are. This is very nice because right now, online is the only way I can play as I'm bedridden!
And not only will this book help sharpen your poker skills, it will sharpen your LAUGHING SKILLS! I'm so glad this book isn't some boring technical manual. The boys really know how to make a girl laugh!
Overall, if your someone slightly familiar with the game of poker but really want to approach it seriously, this is a great book to have! It covers all the basics, and I found it indispensible for getting started online and actually HOLDING ON TO my money. It also feels like a book I can grow into. I haven't been able to use all of the information in it yet, and I don't think I will outgrow it soon. Plus, it covers a lot of different games, so you don't have to buy allthese different books...it's all there in one handy guide! I keep it handy whenever I'm online.
Useful for Novices. .......2005-08-21
Perhaps a better title for this book would be, "A Thorough Introduction to Online Poker," as it excels in instructing readers about the basics of the game, but does not reveal many unknown secrets. It was published with neophytes in mind. Some of the topics, such as when the authors thoroughly discuss the legalities of online poker, are quite valuable; particularly when they quote from the federal court case illustrating the vagueness of the law in regards to contests. Further, there is a unique emphasis on the technological aspects of poker which is evident from the three chapters devoted to poker spreadsheets and software. The best of these programs are the ones which fit over the poker website like a template and record information automatically. The worst of them are the ones that make you record, with individual keystrokes, the results of your hands. It takes unusual dedication for the average player to do this, but I can see how it would immediately improve one's game.
Overall, with its stylish presentation and excellent organization, the manual is excellent for beginners, but I can't say that it offers much for those of us with a great deal of experience. Again, with few "secrets" shared, the title is rather misleading.
Book Review for WSOP.......2005-05-27
This book has all the good qualities of a beginning poker book and then goes farther, introducing the reader to ways of analyzing their game never covered before, as far as I've seen.
The authors begin with a quick primer on the history and legality of online poker and then move on to the basics of how to set up an online account and get money into it so you can play away. (Go to a place like rec.gambling.poker for more in-depth discussions on how the rewards programs work.) After that, they go into a lot of detail about the games themselves, which makes this book not only an internet poker book but also a general poker book. A very strong point is that they talk about several different games: Hold `Em, Stud, Stud Hi-Lo, Omaha, Omaha Hi-Lo and Pineapple (a little). So many books concentrate on only one game. They get into the statistics a lot, noting that their statistical analyses showed you'll win a certain percentage of the money when you're in a given situation. They also go through the different ways the hands can win or lose depending on how the cards fall the rest of the way. In Omaha Hi-Lo, for example, they'll give you three a scenario in which three different hands are competing for the money. They describe how the best highs and lows can be made and how the situations change on the flop and the turn. Rest assured, though, they do cover Hold `Em extensively! This book does NOT cover pot-limit and no-limit poker, though.
The analysis section talks about how to use Excel and the Wilson Software packages to analyze your play. If you're serious about improving your game or are curious about how big a favorite or an underdog you are in a given situation or if you want to be able to play poker for free after buying the packages this seems like a good idea (I've never used the Wilson Software, I have to admit). But it would be interesting to see how a simulation would come out and by using something as simple as the chart wizard in Excel to cast an objective and unblinking eye on how well I play at certain times.
This book is really good and should be part of your poker library!
Book Description
This book is perfect for either the home game player moving up, or the intermediate player who's struggling: it's packed with the stuff beginning poker books don't talk about enough (or at all), and that advanced books discuss only in terms of the higher limits -- reading hands and opponents, calculating odds and outs, adjusting to game type, and more. Also covers practicing and playing online. As Roy West says in his introduction, "This is a `thinking about poker', book you'll hope your opponents won't read." Whether your game is hold'em or stud this is the book to set you on a winning track.
Customer Reviews:
An Entertaining Accessory........2005-12-12
I noticed that this offering got savaged by a reviewer below. Let me address that criticism right away, Stepping Up is a worthy read but it is in no way a complete poker book. By itself, it cannot teach you the game. It's an accoutrement for intermediate rounders. Of course, the author admits this truth in the very beginning. He also recommends reading Small Stakes Hold Em and Theory of Poker before buying his contribution to the poker world. The thing I found most valuable about it is that Burgess is a regular guy who played the small limits before rising to the high stakes levels. He did this via effort and study, and he really does provide some inside-"been there, done that"-type of advice. You also learn quite a bit about the lower limits in a brick and mortar setting as so many of us play online exclusively. His references to stud were educational as well. I definitely got something out of Stepping Up, and I think that you will too if you view it with the right perspective. If you haven't studied the big important manuals already, pick them up first.
Big Disappointment.......2005-11-27
I bought this book because it had four ratings of 5 stars. This is the first review I have ever written, and I'm doing so to warn others that this book is TERRIBLE. It is poorly organized and has very little meaningful information of any type. The author repeatedly trashes almost all other poker books, calling them "garbage". I've read ten poker books now, and only one of them is truly BAD. Guess which one.
Great beginner to intermediate guide for online play!.......2004-12-03
This book takes a different approach then your typical beginner to intermediate level guide that teaches you how to play (memorizing starting hand requirements, basic and intermediate strategies like raising for a free card, raising for value, isolating loose raisers, blind stealing, etc.). What this book does do is focus on the factors that you need to master, especially for online play where you are isolated from other players physically. The psychological aspects... the game within-the-game, etc. are factors that are magnified for online play. You are your own worst enemy (and since the same applies to your opponents), understanding theae nuances are key to a successful transition from live to online play. Good read and recommended.
Awesome book that covers the game inside the game........2004-11-05
I liken this book to a common thing people find out in high school: you usually learn more outside of the classroom than in it. Now, I'm not saying that you should read this book instead of the other great, strategic books on Stud and Hold'em that are out there, but I think you'll be missing a lot of information if you don't read this book as a compliment.
This book covers the game within the game of poker. There isn't too much strategy in this book. Any talk of specific hand strategy is a byproduct of some other lesson. So why is this book important? Because it discusses topics in depth that other poker books rarely mention or only mention on a superficial level. These include: reading hands, reading tells, being "situationally tight", the psychology of low-limit poker, and how to correct your strategic and mental mistakes.
This book is certainly more geared at lower limit games than it is at high limit or tournaments. Because of this, I would recommend buying this book as a compliment to Lee Jones' "Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em" or Roy West's "Seven Card Stud". For instance, Jones' book discusses in-depth, specific strategy for a wide variety of situations in Hold'em, but really doesn't go much into detail about reading hands or keeping stats, etc. Burgess dicusses this and more, and he does it in a very readable way. Plus, he is empathetic to his reader: he understands that most people find the theory behind poker to be very dry, and he keeps the math to a minimum and instead brings it down into plain English that everyone can understand.
Burgess is very blunt about everything. If he doesn't like a book, he says so. He tells you why. If he doesn't like the advice some people give, he says so. He tells you flat-out that, while learning and understanding odds is extremely important, there are lots of situations where the odds are either really obvious or don't matter because psychology and instinct are playing a stronger role.
If you've read Jones' book, a lot of the odds and implied odds, etc will seem like nothing but a rehashing of information, but this isn't true. Jones seems to speed through these concepts a bit at first and then brings them up again when applying them to game situations. Burgess, on the other hand, explains from the outset WHY these things are important. Everyone knows they're important, but this book tells you why, and tells you when they're important. Burgess also gets into the concept of "Tainted Outs", which most people don't even think about at the table or ever.
Overall, the book is just plain awesome. Once you've memorized the concepts in Jones' or West's books, you really should read this book as a compliment for some of the less factual and mathematical aspects of poker. I think some people read a strategy book and forget how important psychology and reading hands can be, and how dangerous mistakes and tilt can be. This book covers all of these topics and will really refine your game. There's nothing better than a down-to-earth, easy to read book with great information.
awesome - changed my game around.......2004-04-13
i hadn't heard of this guy before so was a little skeptical. he's not exaclty a famous author. but it has made a 100 percent difference in how i apporach my favorite game, hold'em.
differences between this and other poker books: first, the writing is ten times as good so everything is extremely clear, second, you learn not just what to do but why. the chapters on reading hands and players are sensational and i say this eveno though i own 4 or 5 hold'em books alone. also the odds chapters are very clear. the only reason i don't give it five stars is you
do need other poker books besides this one, for hold'em maybe the lee jones or kreiger books. like roy west says in the intro this is a thinking man's poker book to improve your overall game.
i would say try it out and see what you think but if you are like me, a low-limit player trying to get good and move up, it's well worth it. it's better than pokertracker for helping, and that's saying a lot!
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