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Book Description
Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.
Customer Reviews:
Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03
Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.
Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19
Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.
Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09
There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.
For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.
Very Interesting.......2007-03-07
It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.
History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10
Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.
I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.
Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.
Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.
I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.
This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.
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This book describes how understanding the structure of reality leads to the Theory of Everything Equation. The equation unifies the forces of nature and enables the merging of relativity with quantum theory. The book explains the big bang theory and everything else.
Customer Reviews:
The Real Deal.......2006-09-25
Although Mr. Wheatley is a little verbose in sections, his documentation of Zen Buddhistic Principles found throughout the disciplines of Mathematics, Physics, Theology, etc. forms a nice reference guide for anyone tuned into that wavelength. In particular, his explanation of how Godel's Theorem and Cantor's "Confusion" shed great light on the difference between GOD's Logic and Man's Logic should be a revelation to any undergraduate level math students who encounter these ideas for the first time. Curiously, Mr. Wheatley makes many misstatements about both Zen Buddhism Principles and the Bible, however. For example, by accepting the false biblical teaching of Original Sin, he misses the point that eating the proverbial apple gave Adam and Eve the ability to make Moral Discernments in fulfillment of GOD'S PERFECT PLAN. As proof, read Genesis 1 which states that Man and Woman were made in GOD's Image. Genesis 4 shows that Adam and Eve weren't the first humans on Earth at all, there were plenty of others by then. The allegorical meaning of the story of Eden, then, isn't that Adam and Eve were the first humans on Earth, but they were the first humans with the ability to make Moral Discernments (in GOD's Image). In fact, Moral Discernment is God's Unique Gift to Man, which is the basis of consciousness, not some Math Formula. But because the wages of the resulting, unavoidable sin are Death, many people foolishly try to return to Eden by: (1) living a sinless Life (2) by removing choice altogether by passing and enforcing strict Laws (3) by attempting to do away with Moral Discernment and the resulting consequences for our actions altogether by trying to remove Shame from Shameful actions. GOD is not some ethereal Man-In-Space, but is simply the Totality of all Real Things, The Set of All Real Sets. GOD's Love manifests itself from the amazing sub-atomic relationships that underly this magic Life all the way to the grandest of Macroscopic Scales, the Interconnected Totality itself. The Zen Buddhism connection can be found by simply superimposing the 0 symbol and the symbol for infinity (8 on its side) in Mr. Wheatley's supposedly "new" formulation that 1 = 0 x infinity. Superimposing them gives you the yin-yang symbol. A potential disadvantage of artificially separating the infinity from the zero, however, is that Mr. Wheatley is able to equate the entire expression to be equal to 1. This potentially might obscure the fact that the deepest meaning of the yin-yang symbol is that it is both 2 and 1 AT THE SAME TIME. His overall equation does preserve that important meaning by utilizing a single element on one side of the equation and two elements on the other side of his final TOE equation. This may be hard to see for some at first, however, which could potentially obscure the richest meaning of this beautiful symbol/equation. A much more GODLY TOE, in my opinion, comes from Euler, who discovered that e ^ (i * pi) - 1 = 0. When someone can explain that relationship, then they can say they know GOD.
A life changing experience??.......2005-06-13
This book is an easy read and does succeed in being somewhat thought-provoking. However, I am a little surprised at the awesome, "life changing" experience it apparently was for many of the readers. Wheatley's conclusions were interesting but nothing really new. All of his material should have passed through the mind of any thinking person without the aid of this book.
The reason I gave this book three stars is because he uses unneccessarily wordy ways of describing simple things. Also, the author and many other reviewers insist that Wheatley makes only one assumption. Wrong-his whole theory is one big assumption.
Overall though it was a very interesting and worthy book.
Should be Required Reading for everyone.......2004-06-26
This book will change your life. You will never think the same way you did before reading it.
I have a degree in chemistry and I think this book should be read by everyone in the sciences. Without a doubt, the best book I've ever read. Why and what are two of our best friends
A Very Important Book.......2004-01-26
I must preface my review by stating that I have never been so excited and moved by a book that I have wanted to contact the author. That is what I found myself doing upon reading this book. This book is just what its title says. The author does not "miss a beat" describing in great detail using practically every aspect of scientific knowledge from atomic structure through logic to quantum theory---we are even given a valuable explanation of Love. This text may be challenging to read for those unfamiliar with scientific terminology. And it can also be difficult for those with a science background, such as myself. However, for me it is well worth the work necessary to strive to understand the unfamiliar terminology. (I am continually learning from this book. I am presently on my third reread).
One of the author's main messages is "not" to believe anything without first verifying it with reality, as we know it. He calls it the "Personal Explanation Principle". He indicates that religions are just such belief systems that we as people "fall" victims of; because we do not verify the beliefs with the facts, as we know them, of reality. He gives a very detailed explanation of how the New Testament can be explored using his methodology.
The author methodically and meticulously walks us through his thought processes, which took 30 years to assimilate, of delineating the structure of reality and the nature of consciousness. Included in the "walk" are many of reality's phenomena made revelatory. An example of that, for me, would be the dual nature of light. It's particle/wave duality, which is explained as "functions". Also, when the author took me on the mental journey of "Setness" an exhilaration of the magnificence of life swelled up in me.
To me this is a very important book that should be read by all that are seekers of truth. It is for all those wanting to gain an understanding of the purpose for their existence, wanting to know where life is headed towards, and wanting to know who God is.
This book will enlighten and develop one's mind substantially. You will discover that this is our objective.
And yes, I contacted the author and he responded openly.
Illuminating!!!.......2002-12-30
This is a really great book. It combines philosophy and science in order to tackle a multitude of existential problems. The author's style of writing is fresh and alive, I recommend ths book to anyone interested in expanding the fronteirs of their understanding. Books I also liked are a Universe in an Nutshell by Steven Hawkings and Descent into Illusions by Paul Omeziri.
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This fully illustrated volume will captivate the interest of those pursuing a study of astronomy and of Bible students seeking reinforcing truths concerning the unity of creation and revelation.
Customer Reviews:
Over my head.......2007-03-29
I'm a Christian and I believe God made me, the Earth and the Universe and all things are held together in His Hands. But I'm not very scientific and know very little about astronomy. So this book went right over my head and I never got passed the first chapter. But I did pass it on to my bil who knows more about it and finds it interesting. So, my rating is based on the fact that, as a novice, I couldn't get a handle on it. It didn't catch my interest. It is not based on whether Seiss is right or wrong or technically correct about his ideas.
Signs in the heavens.......2006-10-08
I disagree with the reviewers who quote the Berean Call where other "preachers" state that we are very God as in...(54. We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and we are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was." (Hinn, The Berean Call, 1992 Media Spotlight Special Report, Feb 94).
The Word of God still speaks with authority about the signs in the heavens, and that has not changed.
I believe this is a thought-provoking book that should be compared with scripture for the complete picture.
words have meanings.......2001-11-25
Having read many books on this subject, including the book by D.James Kennedy, I consider this the best. It does in fact take into consideration the fact that the stars have moved since the ancient names were changed to the modern. Also the MIRRACLE IN STONE, BY SEISS, was in conjunction with his study of the Temple at Ein Gaihdi, which depects the ancient zodiac of about the time of the flood. The simple fact overlooked by Hunt is that in the ancient languages, the stars tell the gospel. And the original purpose of the materials he drew from were actually a study in lexiconography whose purpose was to prove the existence of an original language on earth,,,and only happened to lead to the larger realization that the mysteries were a corruption of the ancient zodiac, and not as is commonly believed, that christianity drew on mystery sources. This is a must read for the Christian.....
The most highly trusted and authoritative source...........2001-07-29
This book is certainly the most authoritative and trusted source on the subject of Biblical Astronomy. Having owned more than one copy of this text, as well as multiple copies of other manuscripts of this type(and having a background of Theological study), I can say without a doubt that this book is an absolute MUST HAVE for anyone interested in Biblical Astronomy.
The Gospel In The Stars.......2001-01-01
I agree with Dave Hunt, perhaps the Charles Spurgeon of our day, who wrote in his May, 1989 issue of The Berean Call about "The Gospel of the Stars" by Charles Seiss. Hunt wrote that books such as this set aside sound doctrine in favor of myths. "Seiss' book asserts that the signs of the zodiac were originally designed by God to communicate the 'gospel'; that this 'Gospel in the Stars' was known to those living before the flood; that it was later corrupted into asrology; and that the alleged recovery of the 'gospel interpretation' of the zodiac is a great witness to God and His Word." However, Hunt goes on to say that "not one shred of historical evidence can be offered in support of this theory. It is based not upon fact but speculation. Seiss even admits that the insights leading to his thesis came 'in connection with his studies of the marvelous wisdom embodied in the Great Pyramid at El Giza' (p5). The alleged 'Gospel in the Stars' is simply a "Christian' interpretation of astrology and occultism, in the same class as pyramidology--and equally dangerous." For more information on this book, and on E.W. Bullinger's "Witness of the Stars" one should request a reprint of Hunt's May, 1989 article from The Berean Call. Both Seiss and Bullinger are spreading mythology under the guise of Biblical Christianity. James Beeson
Customer Reviews:
Convincing some of the time, other times a bit murky.......2007-01-29
Howard Van Till's poor little "Fourth Day" sat in the darkest corner of my library, but the synopsis intrigued me much, though I wasn't entirely certain I could reasonably trust a book from the 1980s, especially since so much scientific discovery came to pass since then. But Van Till's book is a very valuable resource if one seeks to understand the cosmos, and more importantly, its relationship to the God of the Bible. From that perspective, Van Till performs extremely well. I enjoyed his chapters on stellar evolution and the formation of stars, and rather than a crotchety old professor speaking in 'jargon'-ese, the reader gets respectful layman's definitions with a lot of warmth from the author. There is a lot to understand about the universe, and this is as condensed and as reader-friendly as I could imagine.
Nonetheless, his chapters on the creation/evolution debate were intensely murky to me, and I didn't fully piece together the author's position at all. At one point while reading, I could picture Van Till later in the book expressing his support for a "theistic evolutionist" approach to the entire subject. But before I believed I would stumble upon it, the author states that he doesn't advocate any form of theistic evolution. He sure fooled me; his take is simply not very conclusive and left me with too much ambiguity. If I could describe it, I'd say Van Till is simply reiterating Stephen Jay Gould's NOMA argument, although good luck trying to decipher his stance. Others comment on the debate more thoughtfully than Van Till does here.
I have only yet to dive into the whole young-earth creationist vs. old-earth creationist debate, even though I have enjoyed Hugh Ross in the past. Mr. Van Till is a good Christian, from that I'm sure of. He respects the authority of Scripture, and he's a terrific scientist to boot. In addition, if I were a young-earth creationist, those two guys above would probably be my number one enemies. But "The Fourth Day" was a dissatisfying text despite its quality writing and often times accurate analysis.
the best theology and best science i've read so far.......2003-03-19
Like the German Green's motto " neither Right nor Left but OUT IN FRONT" this book takes on both sides of the CED debate.
and in doing so moves the whole discussion into a new higher level:
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"It is my contention that neither the scriptural nor the scientific view of the cosmos is complete in itself, despite the fact that each view contributes an essential perspective on the complete reality. Through the spectacles of scriptual exegesis, we Christians see the cosmos as Creation: we see where it stands in relationship to God the Creator,who is its Originator, Preserver, Governor, and Provider. Through the lens of scientific investigation, natural scientists are able to observe the internal affairs of the material world--its coherent properties, its lawful behavior, and its authentic history. Both views are integral parts of what I call the 'creationomic perspective,' the view of the cosmos that is gained when natural science is place in the framework of the biblical doctrine of creation." preface pg ix
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The take home message is simple enough:
God is Creator, Sustainer, Law-Giver, and Provider.
The best way to read the book is to xerox the chart on pg 198 and keep it at your elbow. It summarizes the entire book!!!
To Scripture you address questions of external relationships:
Status Origin Goverance Value Purpose
To Science you address questions of internal affairs:
Properties Behavior History
This in a single table is the argument of the book, but to understand the critical component: the categories of questions you need to hear the example he uses.
Holding up a piece of paper, he asks you to describe it, one voice answers GREEN, another offers SQUARE. pg 204-5 The paper is in fact, both. Is these two pieces of information contradictory, of course not, it is complementary, coming from two different viewpoints. The extend the example in a way that the author does not, to which person do you address the questions concerning shape, to which do you address questions concerning color?
The first part concerns Scripture and how to build a correct hermeneutic to interpret it by. Again he introduces a good illustration, i suspect from his years of teaching this has proven to be a good memory technic and organizing principle: good illustrations. It is the vehicle model of Scripture, pg 14ff, a caravan of vehicles carrying packages with things inside the packages, think a bunch of UPS brown vans. (looks remarkably like the compiler theory train) The vehicle is the cultural historical context as expressed in the literary genre the passage is written in. The packages are the specific story, particular symbolism in a poem, specific cultural patterns. The contents are God's message to His people, in all places, throughout all time. And from pg 83, "In either case, if we attempt to consume both the content and the packaging, we may encounter significant difficulty in chewing, swallowing, and digesting the combination. Those who want to feed on the truths of Scripture must take care to differentiate between food and packaging." The two cases to distinguish are a journalistic account of the actual events of creation(think video tape) from the primeval history account that we have in Genesis.(think metaphorical origins story- mythos)
Scientism and YEC(young earth creationists)- chapter 11, " more heat than light, the creation/evolution debate" and the real battle with unbelieving scientific naturalism as a religious doctrine. Van Till makes it clear throughout the book that the YEC position of apparent age is nothing more than bad science and bad theology, for it denies the coherence of creation. It denies that God created the universe with sufficent thought to have inside it the things it needs to build up the complexity we see around us. By more importantly it denies the value of creation as an arena for the providence of God, to operate through the use of physical means.
I finished the book with a touch of sadness. For the time, energy, and people the false debate of CED is consuming in the Christian community. While good frameworks like Van Till's are neglected for want of people to work on them. If AiG or ICR did not exist, and that energy and talent was used to advance Van Tills type of arguments the Church would be far along the way to competing with the real enemy. Scientism, the world and life view that we are nothing more than sophisticated machines, the result of mindless and random meanderings through the genetic space of living beings. This is a religious, a metaphysical battle, not scientific. For science rightfully limits itself to the things of this creation, the things we see and the forces we can theorize behind them. The YEC have diverted an enormous amount of energy into bad science, trying to fight a battle at the level of facts, denying the clear evidence for an old earth, while misinterpreting the preamble of the Great KIng of Genesis One as a scientific how-to-do book on the manufacture of us. Sadly we are all the weaker knowing that good ideas like this book have been around since 1986 and are yet to be discovered.
I hope you discover this book as a result of my review. It will well worth the time to read, and i didn't even try to tell you the gems in the astronomy section--part 2.
Committed Physicist and Christian.......2001-03-08
In college I took Howard Van Till's course in Advanced Astronomy and observed first-hand some of the research that went into this book. In person, Van Till is one of the most committed physicists and christians that I know. He takes a substantial amount of talent, integrity and faith and spreads the light for all. The Christian world has given him mixed reviews because many of them are strict "six day" creationists, which Van Till is not. You will be hard pressed to question his physics and he shows the flaws in many simple-faith approaches. I have read dozens of books on creation and cosmology -- this is one of the best.
An excellent read.......2000-04-01
It's a shame this book is out of print. The book is divided into three parts: The first describes what the Bible tells us about Creation and the Cosmos. The second details evidences gleaned from the study of the Cosmos, in particular, astronomy. The third section offers a new perspective on the relationship between science and religion, in constrast to a traditional young-earth creationist perspective.
Book Description
Answers to 110 questions on astronomy and the universe from a Christian perspective that is informed by Scripture. A useful resource for classroom and home.
Customer Reviews:
Astronomy and the Bible: Disclosing the Glory of God in Creation.......2006-07-28
We are often exposed to "scientific" articles, books and television programs that ignore and even mock the Bible's clear teaching concerning the Creator. Because of this, Christians are sometimes intimidated, especially in a culture which insists that science is the sole propriety of secular humanism; but if the study of Physics, Biology and Astronomy should do anything to the Christian, it should inccrease our own sense of wonder and awe for the One who simply spoke the vast cosmos into existence by His powerful Word (Hebrews 11:3, Psalm 33:6). Instead of avoiding these subjects, Christians must understand that genuine science is the propriety of God, and is therefore to be enjoyed by His children, both for personal edification, as well as for outreach and evangelism to the lost. With this in mind, there is a great need for scientific works that can be used by brethren in order to increase their understanding of the sciences in an age of scholastic misinformation.
One such book is Astronomy and the Bible, Questions & Answers, by Dr. Donald B. DeYoung.
Dr. DeYoung is Chairman of the Department of Physical Science at Grace College, Winona Lake, Indiana. He holds a B.S., M.S. and Ph.D. in Physics, as well as an M. Div. from Grace Seminary. DeYoung's approach to the subject of Astronomy is clearly Biblical. Refreshingly, he deals with many of the sticky questions that normally surround modern cosmology, but with the priority of Biblical authority. Within the brief span of just 176 pages, DeYoung manages to raise and answer one hundred popular questions dealing with Cosmology and Physics. In particular, he addresses the most common questions dealing with:
* Geocentricity (Is the earth at the center of the universe?).
* The Anthropic Principle (a term which speaks of the uniqueness of earth's habitable environment).
* What is the big bang?
* What is the age of the universe?
* Should man be in space?
* What is background radiation?
* What's wrong with studying astrology?
This small sample of his one hundred questions provides a preview of DeYoung's very helpful review of Cosmology and Physics. Many of the questions that he raises are designed to bust certain modern myths. Others are designed to clarify matters that are often misunderstood in the popular culture. I find that his simple answers are thorough enough, and yet simple enough, to equip believers for personal edification as well as for sharing the Gospel with others. You don't need a Physics degree in order to read and understand this book! At the same time, this work will certainly challenge your thinking about many discussions that have fallen prey to secular humanism. I offer it to you with my highest recommendation.
Astronomy from a Perspective of Creation.......2006-07-23
ASTRONOMY AND THE BIBLE is a book that attempts to answer various questions about astronomy, but from the perspective of a creationist scientist. Basic astronomical issues such as eclipses, solar systems, stars, auroras, satelittes, etc. are covered as well as more in-depth issues such as what powers the sun. There are also a variety of issues the book discusses that aren't directly related to astronomy, but that are addressed, such as the origin of the Jewish Star of David and what Bioshpere II is.
ASTRONOMY AND THE BIBLE is written in a fairly easy-to-read style that the average person can understand. It isn't very detailed and the book is written from a creationist perspective, so the majority of the scientific community would disagree with many of the explanations offered (God and science don't mix in the secular world). This book would, however, be a great read for anyone with a Biblical worldview who is trying to figure out how the celestial bodies of the universe fit into their worldview.
I've used this book.......2005-11-09
Other reviews of this book--the ones that are highly critical--are critical for one reason--they don't agree with the author's stance on a relatively young earth. I've stuidied this subject quite a bit and honestly I'm not sure what to believe about "young" or "old". But then, I wasn't there.
I love DeYoung's book however because it answers so many questions in readable fashion. The non-scientist can easily grasp the basic concepts and terms we so commonly hear. It is not overly religious (that's an opinion!) but does assume that there is a God (that's not an opinion!) and that he is the God of the Bible. All books on astronomy espouse philosphical viewpoints--either the viewpoint of athiesm or that "God did it" or something else. I happen to believe the Bible, so although I'm not altogether convinced that God created the earth in 6 days that were precisely 24 hours in length, I am PLEASED by the author's God-centered conception of creation. He writes as one who knows his subject and understands the kind of questions students are asking. The book is well organized and indexed so you can find what you're looking for quickly. I would recommend it as a beginning point for Christians.
I wouldn't recommend it for the athiest. The athiest should read anything written by Phillip Johnson on the subject of inteligent design.
See other reviews to see what damage this stuff does.......2003-07-16
Another reviewer rightly noted that this book and others like it contain faulty science that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. DeYoung's predictions about light passing through wormholes or that light has slowed down since the start of creation have all been discredited numerous times, mostly by other Christians (e.g., Hugh Ross). While I commend the author for including some real information about astronomy, the young earth theories promulgated in this book are simply wrong.
The trouble with books like this is that they convince non-Christians that the Bible really does teach the Earth is young - and therefore, false. This is evidenced by an atheist reviewer on this site, who's been wrongly convinced by creationists that the Bible teaches the earth is really 6K old and that mainstream evangelical theologians are trying to hoodwink us into overlooking the Bible's errors. (Why we'd be so dishonest as to "hoodwink" anybody, I don't know - maybe so we can more Republican voters. Who knows?) I'm willing to bet that most non-Christians who read books like this come away with conclusions like that reviewer; the Christians who read this book simply come away more fearful and resentful of real science.
When a few misguided people at my church brought in a young-earther from the ICR to teach us all about young-earthism, I challenged him to his face on scientific, literary, and Biblical grounds. This man - who debates preofessional scientists on college campuses - crumbled before my arguments, and I'm merely a layman with a degree in ENGLISH. I can imagine the harm he's doing to our faith out in the world.
Contaminated Astronomy.......2001-09-02
In a mailing-list flame war on creationism at MIT (of all places!) about eight years ago, I wrote (something like), "Anyone who knows anything about astronomy and has half a brain can figure out that creationism is false." Now why would I write such a thing? I was refering, of course, to young-universe creationism, the idea that the universe was created about 6000 years ago. Now, here we have an astronomy book which tries to argue that creationism is at least respectible, and *assumes* that the Bible is accurate.
This book does contain quite a bit of information on astronomy. As such, it could be a good introductory book. Unfortunately, the science is contaminated with creationist propaganda and superfluous Bible references. Only someone already knowledgeable in the field would be able to separate these tares from the wheat of science. I strongly recommend some other book on astronomy, preferably secular. "The Physical Universe" by Frank Shu, for example.
This book is better than "Starlight and Time" and "Tornado in a Junkyard," which I've already reviewed on Amazon.com. In "Starlight and Time," Russell Humphreys completely disregards all physical consequences of his white-hole theory. In "Tornado in a Junkyard," James Perloff distorts or disregards pretty much everything known in modern science. Here, Professor DeYoung gives plenty of accurate information, but also some distortions.
DeYoung does tell us about the immense distances involved in the universe. Our galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. The Andromeda galaxy, he says, is about 2.9 million light-years away. The large Magellanic Cloud, where Supernova 1987A occured, is about 180,000 light-years away. There are many many galaxies much farther away. The most distant objects, the quasars, are billions of light-years away.
The speed of light is one light-year per year. Since we can see things billions of light-years away, the universe must be billions of years old. So what's the problem?
The problem is that creationists come up with all sorts of crackpot theories to explain how we can see distant objects even with a young universe. DeYoung presents five such theories on pp. 89-90, including one detailed in "Starlight and Time." Four of them predict enormous physical phenomena that are absent in nature. The fifth theory is that God created the light while in transit when it created the universe 6000 years ago. That theory is a variant on "Last Thursdayism," the idea that we were created last Thursday with our memories completely intact and everything around us matching.
The two problems with the "Last Thursdayism" theory are that it's completely unverifiable and unfalsifiable, and it means that God committed an enormous fraud on us by creating massive evidence of a history that didn't occur. DeYoung tries to answer whether Supernova 1987A actually occured, under "Last Thursdayism." The obvious answer is no, because it would have occured long before the creation of the universe. God would have had to make the explosive light, the matching neutrinos, the light from the prior star that exploded (a blue supergiant), the light from the remains of the supernova, etc. in flight. But DeYoung makes a convoluted attempt to argue that the supernova actually did occur -- something to the effect that it happened in God's imagination, and God is truth, so it happened.
DeYoung tells us that many different estimations of the age of the universe give widely varying results, from thousands of years to billions of years. The problem is that the young-universe estimations have been thoroughly debunked. (See any typical anticreationist book, or www.talkorigins.org.) Those estimations have used absurd assumptions and have disregarded well-established basic science.
DeYoung believes that a "vapor canopy" of water existed above the atmosphere before the flood (p. 88). Genesis 1 states that God created a "firmament" in the sky, separating the waters above from the waters below. However, in the fourth day, when God created the sun, moon, and stars, God set them in the firmament. That means that the "vapor canopy" existed not only above the atmosphere, but beyond all the stars as well.
In fact, the world-view of Genesis 1 is either geocentric or flat-earth -- most likely flat-earth, because nothing in Genesis 1 portrays anything more than a "heaven above" and an "earth beneath." (Exodus 20:4) The sun and moon are small balls of light, and the stars are tiny points of light, which can fall to earth (Revelation 6:13). I've not seen anything in the Bible that unambiguously identifies a round earth. That includes Job 26:7, which DeYoung cites as indicating a round earth (p. 17). On the other hand, there are a few indications that the earth is flat: Isaiah 40: 22, Matthew 4: 8.
I agree with DeYoung, that the six days of Genesis 1 are literal days, contrary to the claims of Hugh Ross and others that days refer to ages or eons. Genesis 1 has day and night created before the sun, moon, and stars; and vegetation created before the sun. What this means is that the author of Genesis 1 didn't connect daylight with sunlight, and that Genesis 1 is simply wrong.
Contrary to DeYoung's claim on p. 17, "When the Bible touches on scientific subjects, it is entirely accurate," the Bible is frequently wrong. There is NO science in the Bible.
Book Description
An elementary commentary on the astronomical references of the Holy Scripture, with 34 illustrations. Divided into four Books including: Book 1, The Heavenly Bodies: Hebrew and astronomy; creation; deep; firmament; ordinances of the heavens; sun; moon; stars; comets; meteors; eclipses of the sun and moon; Saturn and astrology. Book 2, The Constellations: origin of the constellations; Genesis and the constellations; story of the Deluge; tribes of Israel and the zodiac; leviathan; Pleiades; Orion; Mazzaroth; Arcturus. Book 3, Times and Seasons: day and its division; Sabbath and the week; month; year; Sabbatic year and the jubilee; cycles of Daniel. Book 4, Three Astronomical Marvels: Joshua's long day; dial of Ahaz; star of Bethlehem.
Book Description
What is the universe? How did it get that way? Here are thought-provoking answers from throughout history and around the world.
"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." -King James Bible
"In the beginning, before men, before the Gods, all was chaos." -Greek myth
Folklorist Steve Zeitlin gives answers to the questions everyone asks about the nature of the universe: What is it? Where did it come from? Will it end? A picture of the universe is a cosmology, and every culture has its own. People build these stories from the world around them. The ancient Egyptians who saw the Nile flood yearly told stories of gods who rise, die, and are reborn. The Maori living on the wind and sea-battered island of New Zealand tell of sea, land, and sky gods in eternal combat.
Readers will discover the Iroquois who pictured the world on a turtle's back; the Southeast Asians who described the world as a flat disc held up by three elephants; even Genesis and the Big Bang theories are included. Zeitlin retells each myth, legend, folktale or theory as a story filled with wonder and imagination.
Now every child who tries to build a picture of the universe will see how he or she fits in the grand tradition of human thought and imagination.
Customer Reviews:
I loved it.......2002-07-10
I loved this book. I've seen so many different books on origin stories from around the world - there are dozens of them. This once is totally unique - it's about how different cultures picture the world. From the Maori, to the Egyptians, to the Desana Indians, the book explores the different visions of the universe that each culture has set forth in its myths and stories. There are even wonderful chapters on both medieval and modern science - even a chapter on Genesis. Most of the chapters are accompanied by myths and stories - all of them beautifully written. This book is perfect for a curious Middle School reader whose interest in the cosmos is just awakening - but it's great for all ages. It's one of my favorite books
Disappointing and dull in spite of much promise.......2001-06-24
Zeitlin fulfills his mission to compare the creation myths from many times and peoples, but he doesn't do it in an exciting or engaging manner. While each story builds on the next, the retellings themselves are a bit bland, and could have used a more drama. In spite of an impressive list of acknowledgements and sources (including Joseph Bruhac and E.C. Krupp, Edith Hamilton and Carl Sagan, and a nod to Joseph Campbell), Zeitlin is no storyteller.
The wide range of stories is impressive. Here the reader finds Genesis and the Talmud, theories of the first scientists and present day ones, and tales from India, Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Americas.
Chapter layout is consistent. Each chapter begins with "Imagine ..." inviting the reader to slip into the culture and beliefs of the origins of the tale. A one sentence abstract further sets the stage, and Zeitlin puts each tale into context before going on to relate the story. Each myth is given thoughtful consideration as to how it fits in with the others.
The illustrations by Chris Raschka are a bit disappointing. He made an effort to research each period and culture to render appropriate patterns and drawings, but like the text, the illustrations fall flat. Rectangles in shades of gray cover and confuse instead of illuminating. The graphics, many of which incorporate traditional patterns, would have made lovely borders instead of single page pictures. Color would have made the illustrations less static.
Too scholarly for children, and of little appeal to YA's, it is unclear for whom this book is intended. Zeitlin presents big ideas, big words, and some adult themes, but usually it is either younger children or college students who explore such folk tales and myths. The author is to be commended for promoting openmindedness, and for his ability to portray many different belief systems with respect. Perhaps this will fit into curriculum frameworks, be a jumping off point for teachers, or be useful to storytellers.
Customer Reviews:
show me god: what the message from space is telling us about god.......2007-03-08
very good quality
Many attempts to debunk Heeren..........2006-10-11
I read this book shortly after its revision came out around 2000, and found it extremely well-argued. Given that, I'm amazed at how vehemently evolutionists attempt to debunk Heeren's points (and even his style of writing).
I'm lead to wonder just how "established" evolution can be when Fred Heeren's book "Show Me God" has a forward written by the person who just won the Nobel Prize for Physics, George Smoot?
Evolutionists can claim that evangelicals are "crazy" or "ignorant", but how can they claim that about the man who won the 2006 Nobel Prize for Physics?
Nothing comes from Nothing.......2006-07-25
Fred Heeran makes science easy to understand, and points out the inconsistencies of scientists who do not believe God created the Universe without a trace of sarcasm. I am in the middle of reading this book, and plan to read all the books in the Wonders that Witness series. His imaginary conversations with Carl - a voice inside his head - brings everything down to earth, and adds a touch of humor. Fred encourages us to ask questions, and not accept answers that don't match up with reason. He says we should not think that the Bilble is true "to us" because we believe it, but that we should believe because it IS true. He challenges the concept of reletive truth, saying that it results in chaos. And he reveals evidence of a loving, intelligent, personal God.
Clear and Exciting .......2006-07-15
I have only praise for this work because of its accessability. It is clearly written and packed with exciting 'new' discoveries about the nature of the universe from the astronomer's lens. I give it four stars for clarity as an introduction and of its power to stimulate interest in other fields.
On a completely different level, this book is useless to prove the existence of God, to disprove the eternity of the world, etc. As Hume has conclusively shown, the cosmological argument is a fallacious argument. You can't posit some quality of the unseen and unobserved (God) based on what's seen and observed. If that were so, we may posit that God is evil based on observation of genocide and good based on our observation of goodness. There has to be uniformity in the argument; for if someone is willing to use the good in the world and credit a deity for that act, so then also the same principle ought to hold that same god as the cause of horrible acts. Thomas Aquinas tried to use this type of cosmological argument for God's existence but he noted that God exists in a different way than everything else exists. But you cannot logically have a proposition in the conclusion that is not to be found in the premise. For example, a logician cannot begin with a look at the earth and deduce that something altogether different from matter created the rolling hills in his gaze. No, it is not observation that leads to God, but a different premise altogether. For if it was on the basis of the observed that we are conducted to God, he would be whatever is logically given in the premise. But there is nothing given--and there is especially no ONE given in the premise (there is no personality in what we observe). We see only matter--we KNOW persons.
Fred Heeren is therefore an inconsistent empiricist or an inconsistent theist. Remember lastly that even if the cosmological argument was formally valid, it would never lead us to believe in the TRIUNE GOD as Karl Barth forcibly mentions.
If there is a 'message from space' it tells us nothing about God. The conclusion is completely subjective. One can look to Michael Polanyi to understand the objectivity fallacy.
Bashing a square peg into a round hole.......2006-04-24
Full-on christians won't (want to) understand what I'm talking about, so go ahead and give me that "not helpful" vote you will be dying to give me after reading what follows. Likewise, the apathetic, if they could be bothered. (By the way, I am not an atheist. However, I was at one time a christian.) For critical thinkers, and others looking to challenge their worldview, I shall continue.
"Show Me god" is a religious book masquerading as a science text. Scientific facts are falsifiable, religious dogma is not. That is, Science deals with the observable, measurable, and tangible - and will admit when it is in error. Religious dogmas are not prone to admit errors; they are about faith in things that may or may not exist, and, may or may not have happened. Religions attempt to give their adherants watertight comfort in the knowledge that their religious denomination is the truest one. Science admits it doesn't have all the answers.
This book tries to confirm and marry christianity (why not any other religion?) with Science, by using "non-sequiteurs". This is like trying to bash a square peg into a round hole. The title itself "begs the question". "Ad populum" is used, and some quotes are taken out of context. Critical thinkers can sharpen their logic and reasoning abilities by reading this book and scrutinising all the presentations. christians may want to get this book to feel good about themselves and their bogus theory known as "intelligent design". (The christian bible has two different versions of creation BTW. Read genesis chapters 1 & 2. Take notes and compare.) And for others, you may like to look into what "critical thinking" means; my sincerest best wishes to you. Deserves less than 1-star.
Book Description
An in-depth study of the constellations and principal stars as they pertain to prophetic truth. Includes more than forty charts and diagrams.
Customer Reviews:
Whew! What a mindfull!.......2005-10-26
Reading this book through was a chore that put me to sleep any number of times. Granted, I fall asleep easily, so this should not reflect on the excellent quality of the information contained. The writing style is somewhat out of date, and the author's tendency to break into preaching or praise tended to be distracting.
Nonetheless, I highly recommend this book to anyone who wants to know what God originally intended for constellations and stars to mean. There is a ton of information here, symbology, astronomy, and theology.
Cannot share the same Enthusiasm.......2005-08-17
I bought this book a number of years ago for apologetics purposes-- While I would agree with other reviewers that it holds a high view of Scripture, and the book definitely represents a lot of research, I think that the approach to symbology used here can be problematic. The entire book is a study of constellations, and how they display the Gospel in the Stars. While this is an interesting study I think there a oouple of underlying problems with this approach.
1. Constellations and star names are simply assignments that man has assigned to stars. Usually pagan cultures in association with their pagan mythology. Although this does not completely undermine such a study it does call it into question.
2. A second more serious problem is the same problem which underlies numerology and other allegorical approaches-- they can often be made to say anything the author even while at the same time appearing scholarly.
Those looking for apologetics in the cosmos should consider investigating the "anthropic principle" which tracks evidence of God's design of the universe. One such book would be "Show me God" by Fred Hereen. In terms of our faith, In my opinion, God's Word itself furnishes a lifetime of study without engaging in speculation of symbols which we really can't prove one way or the other.
The Heavens Declare the Glory of God!.......2005-05-10
How thrilling it was to discover Amazon had 'The Witness of the Stars,' available for review. Published posthumously, the work displays the integrity of E.W. Bullinger's efforts to apply several major disciplines of scholarship as he introduces this edifying unveiling of God's Glory proclaimed across the sky. Mr. Bullinger entered the Lord's presence nearly a century ago in 1913!
'The Witness of the Stars,' provides scholastic, historical, and Biblical insight into God's own testimony as to the past, present and future of mankind. What a wind of refreshment in a world seemingly helpless and out of control.
A first mention of the thesis that God has written the Gospel in the Stars was introduced to this reviewer while in Bible School by since graduated Evangelist Lester Roloff. Mr. Roloff had been inspired to examine this field partly because, as a traveling evangelist, he actually flew his own plane from meeting to meeting. He testified to ever being humbled during night flights across the earth. Having been introduced through Scripture's own declarations concerning God's setting the Heavens to declare His Glory, Psalm 19:1, Mr. Roloff went on to pen his findings.
And then how encouraging to read the reviews already given. Only the first handful of entries were able to be perused, yet, they proved the depths discerned on a mere first reading of 'Witness.' This book is a must purchase for any seeking truth.
One reading simply whets the appetite to discover and plumb the depths of Mr. Bullinger's myriad offerings.
Kudos to Amazon for making this book on eternal truth available to the world. Salutations to all in the Lord that have confirmed one's own impressions were in perspective.
To God be the Glory!
TL Farley,
author,
When Now Becomes Too Late {prophecy}
Distant Reaches {adventure}
The Witness of the Stars.......2002-05-01
I would give the new publisher, Cosimo, one star. It does not have the fold-out of the 48 constellations in the back as does the book published by Kregel, and it has "Astrology" written on the front cover. This is a book on Biblical Astronomy per the author. Bullinger would be turning in his grave if he knew his book was being classified as Astrology. I teach Biblical Astronomy and purchase this book (from Kregel) for my students. I will no longer purchase this book from Amazon.com if this is the only version of it they have.
The following applies to the version published by Kregel Publications: This is one of the best works available on Biblical Astronomy. I have been a student of Biblical Astronomy for over 25 years. This is the book that first got me interested in the field. It is very concise in its Biblical interpretations of the constellations and star names. The book is also very informative as to where the constellation pictures came from. The Witness of the Stars is a masterpiece that brings ancient light to a new generation. I am now a full time Biblical Astronomer and have myself written a book on the subject which concerns recent celestial events. I would not have had a clue of where to begin if it were not for this work by E.W. Bullinger.
Eye-opening.......2000-01-16
As we started our study of space with our kids a friend brought us this book to use. It is so refreshing to read an alternative, Godly view versus what we are force-fed in schools and society. This books helps put God back in knowledge. We are currently ordering our own copy.
Book Description
There are two major entities at the close of the book of Revelation that explain the author's understanding of forthcoming life with God: the Celestial City (the heavenly Jerusalem) and the cosmic Lamb. The marriage of these two marks the concluding highpoint of John the Seer's work. What are the entities in question? How do they marry and what is the significance of that event for those who believe in Jesus as cosmic Lord? In The New Jerusalem in the Revelation of John, Bruce Malina offers insights into the concluding vision of the book of Revelation to assist Bible readers to understand what the visionary of Revelation said, and meant to say, to his first-century Mediterranean audience. The New Jerusalem and the Revelation of John sets out comparative models of what sorts of cities existed during the time of the New Testament and what it meant to live in an ancient Mediterranean city. It further explains the significance of the celestial marriage of the City and the Lamb. The result is a set of reading scenarios that describe and explain Revelation's closing visions, which mediate the theology of John the Seer. The definition and comparative model of the city in The New Jerusalem and the Revelation of John is also useful for persons interested in understanding those first "urban" members of Jesus groups addressed by other New Testament documents. Chapters are "Presuppositions about Language and Reading," "The Genre of the Book of Revelation," "The Holy City in the Sky," and "The Cosmic Lamb Marries." Includes relevant charts.
Customer Reviews:
A Clear View of the City.......2000-08-09
I just recieved this text and am happy I did. Finally, a compact, easy to understand peace on the ancient city. This text brings clarity to our understanding of the text of Revelation and to the ancient understanding of cities in general. Using anthropology, Malina once again helps current readers come to a better and clearer understanding of ancient culture. I wish this was out earlier for my former students. A great tool for scholars and students alike and a more than affordable addition to any library.
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